So, let's have a history lesson, shall we? But first, let me state this...my ancester, Roger de Montgomerie, was a Norman, a descendant of vikings. It is true that by this time in history, "The Viking Age," was coming to a close, despite the couple of large scale viking victories that took place after The Battle of Stamford Bridge. So, is the person making allegations against vikings, or the Normans? It's very hard to tell, maybe because the Normans and the vikings shared the same blood.
And for Ricky and Presby, the line of ancestry (I used ancestry's tree because it's the quickest one I have access to right now. Edit: I took this line down because I have a more accurate one without duplicate names to put up later.
1. Allegation: Normans and Saxons were much better (than vikings) at large pitched battles.
Reality: Who were the Normans? The word "Norman" is a word that came from the word "Northmen," or "Norsemen." So, to say that the Normans were better warriors than the vikings is not true. "Normandy," was founded by Rollo, a viking, three generations prior to The Battle of Hastings. William the Conquerer was Rollo's great-great-great grandchild. The Normans, were in fact, Norse.
2. Allegation: The vikings lack of pitched battle experience and lack of tactics meant Harold's army had the upper edge and were able to quickly annihilate the viking hordes.
The whole story (or The Tale of Two Harold's): The person who made this allegation is referring to The Battle of Stamford Bridge, where Harold Godwinson, the questionable King of England (there were at least a few contenders for the throne after King Edward's death), surprised the viking forces of Harald Hardrata, the King of Norway. Now, the allegations are that the Norwegians lost this battle because they lacked battle tactics and pitched battle experience. However, that simply is not true.
The vikings lost this battle because in the wake of the surprise attack, they made a decision to leave their armor behind. Had Harald's men been wearing their armor, the outcome may have been very different.
We can see how "well" the English army handled one giant Norseman, who was solely blocking the path over a bridge. One Norseman with a Dane Axe held off the entire English army, killing about forty of them before the English finally got smart and attacked the Norseman from under the bridge with a lance. This brave warrior gave the vikings the time they needed to organize a last minute defensive shield-wall.
However, it wasn't enough, and eventually, the Norsemen fell. But, historians agree that had the vikings taken their armor with them that day, the outcome would have been in their favor.
Now, the allegation that the vikings were "quickly annihilated" is not true, either. The battle lasted many hours. There was time for viking reinforcements to arrive. Part of the viking army formed a very strategically planned shield-wall, and Harold's army lost many men trying to get past the otherwise unprotected vikings.
And consider this passage from history-net.com:
3. Allegation: Harold's victory stunned the vikings and prohibited them from making future raids.
The whole story: The founding of Normandy was the beginning of the end of the viking raids. Many had, by the time, converted to Christianity (one of William the Conquerer's interests in gaining the English throne). Many Norsemen in Norway and Denmark had already converted to Christianity by this time, too. The defeat at Stamford Bridge was no doubt one of the last viking raids, but it wasn't the last.
4. Allegation: Vikings were not soldiers or disciplined warriors able to prevail against armed formations in a pitched battle. They (the vikings) were known as berserkers not just cause they foamed at the mouth but because they lack discipline...
The truth: Not all vikings were berserkers. They were called berserkers because they were the intimidation factor in a battle. A good battle strategy, I think. They would drink the boiled down pieces of a hallucinogenic plant that would cause them to go "berserk."
Berserker's were comprised of the toughest, biggest, and most intimidating warriors. It was their job to intimidate the their enemy, and they did a very good job at it--most everyone in other countries dreaded to see the viking ship appear on the horizon more than anything else.
When berserkers weren't fighting, they were normal dudes. Vikings were not savages. They were, in fact, cleaner and more refined than their European counterparts. They thought the English were lice-ridden, filthy mongrels.
History tells us the Vikings were some of the MOST disciplined warriors out there. Children learned to fight at a young age, and some very capable viking warriors had earned their right to fight by 12 years old. And to be able to fight alongside the vikings, you could not be undisciplined or weak. You had to PROVE it first.
The Vikings had 9 Virtues that they upheld even in battle:
Courage
Truth
Honor
Fidelity
Discipline
Hospitality
Industriousness
Self-Reliance
Perseverance
Now, if those virtues aren't signs of a civilized and organized culture, I don't know what is.
An army is only as efficient as it's leader, and Harold of England was not an effective leader. However, Hardrada, on that day, grossly underestimated his competition, and was too confident from the outset.
Now, let's move on to the Battle of Hastings, where my ancestor, rode with William the Conquerer (both of Norse descent).
5. Allegation: Still Harold almost won (the Battle of Hastings) by deploying his inferior force in a strong defensive stance.
The reality: Harold made many mistakes, which cost him the battle..
1. Harold mis-placed his men. He had mobilized only half his forces, and mistakenly chose to advance on William instead of taking a defensive approach.
From the Encyclopedia Brittanica:
Harold was approaching Hastings with about 7,000 men, many of whom were half-armed, untrained peasants. He had mobilized barely half of England’s trained soldiers, yet he advanced against William instead of making William come to meet him in a chosen defensive position. The bold yet ultimately unsuccessful strategy is probably explained by Harold’s eagerness to defend his own men and lands, which William was harrying, and to thrust the Normans back into the sea.
No one can compete with you Mindy on this topic. You easily win this round, thank you for schooling the Viking Wannabes! :-)